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    Te dicen algo y lo aceptas sin pensar. ¡¡¡Que el dinero iba a la cuenta del Vaticano!!????. ¡¡Lo que hace la leyenda negra!! La envidia es muy mala.
    No Rusko no. No es cuestión de leyendas negras...es cuestión de que por parte de estos "informadores" NO HAY LEYENDA DE NINGÚN TIPO. ¡¡¡¡NO HAN LEÍDO NADA EN SU VIDA!!! y están en un foro descubriendo la pólvora día sí y día también.

    Que me disculpe el personal...pero hay cosas con las que no puedes dejar de reírte....
    ¿Tú no sabías que Ferpuerto tiene documentación "fidedigna" en la que aparece el Papa brazo en alto haciendo el saludo hitleriano? ¡¡¡Pídesela que seguro que gustoso te la da!!

    ¡Tú no sabes con lo que estás tratando! Si me permites un consejo: ¡¡¡Tómatelo todo a cachondeo porque si no...!!!


    Ya lo irás viendo...

    un saludo

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    Prueba de que las mentes tontas no aceptan evidencia. Ratzinger admitio ya que fue parte de la juventud de Hitler, y aun asi esta todavia negandolo... Ratzinger, el mismo lo escribio y Zambabosol aun dice que no es cierto jajajajaja

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    Fe la revista Free Inquiry Volumen 18 Numero 1

    No lo voy a traducir porque es muy largo pero si quieren lo pueden hacer ustedes, se llama la Casa de Ilusiones de la Madre Teresa. Alla ustedes si les importa la verdad

    Some years after I became a Catholic, I joined Mother Teresa's congregation, the Missionaries of Charity. I was one of her sisters for nine and a half years, living in the Bronx, Rome, and San Franciso, until I became disillusioned and left in May 1989. As I reentered the world, I slowly began to unravel the tangle of lies in which I had lived. I wondered how I could have believed them for so long.

    Three of Mother Teresa's teachings that are fundamental to her religious congregation are all the more dangerous because they are believed so sincerely by her sisters. Most basic is the belief that as long as a sister obeys she is doing God's will. Another is the belief that the sisters have leverage over God by choosing to suffer. Their suffering makes God very happy. He then dispenses more graces to humanity. The third is the belief that any attachment to human beings, even the poor being served, supposedly interferes with love of God and must be vigilantly avoided or immediately uprooted. The efforts to prevent any attachments cause continual chaos and confusion, movement and change in the congregation. Mother Teresa did not invent these beliefs - they were prevalent in religious congregations before Vatican II - but she did everything in her power (which was great) to enforce them.

    Once a sister has accepted these fallacies she will do almost anything. She can allow her health to be destroyed, neglect those she vowed to serve, and switch off her feelings and independent thought. She can turn a blind eye to suffering, inform on her fellow sisters, tell lies with ease, and ignore public laws and regulations.

    Women from many nations joined Mother Teresa in the expectation that they would help the poor and come closer to God themselves. When I left, there were more than 3,000 sisters in approximately 400 houses scattered throughout the world. Many of these sisters who trusted Mother Teresa to guide them have become broken people. In the face of overwhelming evidence, some of them have finally admitted that their trust has been betrayed, that God could not possibly be giving the orders they hear. It is difficult for them to decide to leave - their self-confidence has been destroyed, and they have no education beyond what they brought with them when they joined. I was one of the lucky ones who mustered enough courage to walk away.

    It is in the hope that others may see the fallacy of this purported way to holiness that I tell a little of what I know. Although there are relatively few tempted to join Mother Teresa's congregation of sisters, there are many who generously have supported her work because they do not realize how her twisted premises strangle efforts to alleviate misery. Unaware that most of the donations sit unused in her bank accounts, they too are deceived into thinking they are helping the poor.

    As a Missionary of Charity, I was assigned to record donations and write the thank-you letters. The money arrived at a frantic rate. The mail carrier often delivered the letters in sacks. We wrote receipts for checks of $50,000 and more on a regular basis. Sometimes a donor would call up and ask if we had received his check, expecting us to remember it readily because it was so large. How could we say that we could not recall it because we had received so many that were even larger?

    When Mother spoke publicly, she never asked for money, but she did encourage people to make sacrifices for the poor, to "give until it hurts." Many people did - and they gave it to her. We received touching letters from people, sometimes apparently poor themselves, who were making sacrifices to send us a little money for the starving people in Africa, the flood victims in Bangladesh, or the poor children in India. Most of the money sat in our bank accounts.

    The flood of donations was considered to be a sign of God's approval of Mother Teresa's congregation. We were told by our superiors that we received more gifts than other religious congregations because God was pleased with Mother, and because the Missionaries of Charity were the sisters who were faithful to the true spirit of religious life.

    Most of the sisters had no idea how much money the congregation was amassing. After all, we were taught not to collect anything. One summer the sisters living on the outskirts of Rome were given more crates of tomatoes than they could distribute. None of their neighbors wanted them because the crop had been so prolific that year. The sisters decided to can the tomatoes rather than let them spoil, but when Mother found out what they had done she was very displeased. Storing things showed lack of trust in Divine Providence.

    The donations rolled in and were deposited in the bank, but they had no effect on our ascetic lives and very little effect on the lives of the poor we were trying to help. We lived a simple life, bare of all superfluities. We had three sets of clothes, which we mended until the material was too rotten to patch anymore. We washed our own clothes by hand. The never-ending piles of sheets and towels from our night shelter for the homeless we washed by hand, too. Our bathing was accomplished with only one bucket of water. Dental and medical checkups were seen as an unnecessary luxury.

    Mother was very concerned that we preserve our spirit of poverty. Spending money would destroy that poverty. She seemed obsessed with using only the simplest of means for our work. Was this in the best interests of the people we were trying to help, or were we in fact using them as a tool to advance our own "sanctity?" In Haiti, to keep the spirit of poverty, the sisters reused needles until they became blunt. Seeing the pain caused by the blunt needles, some of the volunteers offered to procure more needles, but the sisters refused.

    We begged for food and supplies from local merchants as though we had no resources. On one of the rare occasions when we ran out of donated bread, we went begging at the local store. When our request was turned down, our superior decreed that the soup kitchen could do without bread for the day.

    It was not only merchants who were offered a chance to be generous. Airlines were requested to fly sisters and air cargo free of charge. Hospitals and doctors were expected to absorb the costs of medical treatment for the sisters or to draw on funds designated for the religious. Workmen were encouraged to labor without payment or at reduced rates. We relied heavily on volunteers who worked long hours in our soup kitchens, shelters, and day camps.

    A hard-working farmer devoted many of his waking hours to collecting and delivering food for our soup kitchens and shelters. "If I didn't come, what would you eat?" he asked.

    Our Constitution forbade us to beg for more than we needed, but, when it came to begging, the millions of dollars accumulating in the bank were treated as if they did not exist.

    For years I had to write thousands of letters to donors, telling them that their entire gift would be used to bring God's loving compassion to the poorest of the poor. I was able to keep my complaining conscience in check because we had been taught that the Holy Spirit was guiding Mother. To doubt her was a sign that we were lacking in trust and, even worse, guilty of the sin of pride. I shelved my objections and hoped that one day I would understand why Mother wanted to gather so much money, when she herself had taught us that even storing tomato sauce showed lack of trust in Divine Providence.

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    Fe la revista Free Inquiry Volumen 18 Numero 1

    No lo voy a traducir porque es muy largo pero si quieren lo pueden hacer ustedes, se llama la Casa de Ilusiones de la Madre Teresa. Alla ustedes si les importa la verdad

    Some years after I became a Catholic, I joined Mother Teresa's congregation, the Missionaries of Charity. I was one of her sisters for nine and a half years, living in the Bronx, Rome, and San Franciso, until I became disillusioned and left in May 1989. As I reentered the world, I slowly began to unravel the tangle of lies in which I had lived. I wondered how I could have believed them for so long.

    Three of Mother Teresa's teachings that are fundamental to her religious congregation are all the more dangerous because they are believed so sincerely by her sisters. Most basic is the belief that as long as a sister obeys she is doing God's will. Another is the belief that the sisters have leverage over God by choosing to suffer. Their suffering makes God very happy. He then dispenses more graces to humanity. The third is the belief that any attachment to human beings, even the poor being served, supposedly interferes with love of God and must be vigilantly avoided or immediately uprooted. The efforts to prevent any attachments cause continual chaos and confusion, movement and change in the congregation. Mother Teresa did not invent these beliefs - they were prevalent in religious congregations before Vatican II - but she did everything in her power (which was great) to enforce them.

    Once a sister has accepted these fallacies she will do almost anything. She can allow her health to be destroyed, neglect those she vowed to serve, and switch off her feelings and independent thought. She can turn a blind eye to suffering, inform on her fellow sisters, tell lies with ease, and ignore public laws and regulations.

    Women from many nations joined Mother Teresa in the expectation that they would help the poor and come closer to God themselves. When I left, there were more than 3,000 sisters in approximately 400 houses scattered throughout the world. Many of these sisters who trusted Mother Teresa to guide them have become broken people. In the face of overwhelming evidence, some of them have finally admitted that their trust has been betrayed, that God could not possibly be giving the orders they hear. It is difficult for them to decide to leave - their self-confidence has been destroyed, and they have no education beyond what they brought with them when they joined. I was one of the lucky ones who mustered enough courage to walk away.

    It is in the hope that others may see the fallacy of this purported way to holiness that I tell a little of what I know. Although there are relatively few tempted to join Mother Teresa's congregation of sisters, there are many who generously have supported her work because they do not realize how her twisted premises strangle efforts to alleviate misery. Unaware that most of the donations sit unused in her bank accounts, they too are deceived into thinking they are helping the poor.

    As a Missionary of Charity, I was assigned to record donations and write the thank-you letters. The money arrived at a frantic rate. The mail carrier often delivered the letters in sacks. We wrote receipts for checks of $50,000 and more on a regular basis. Sometimes a donor would call up and ask if we had received his check, expecting us to remember it readily because it was so large. How could we say that we could not recall it because we had received so many that were even larger?

    When Mother spoke publicly, she never asked for money, but she did encourage people to make sacrifices for the poor, to "give until it hurts." Many people did - and they gave it to her. We received touching letters from people, sometimes apparently poor themselves, who were making sacrifices to send us a little money for the starving people in Africa, the flood victims in Bangladesh, or the poor children in India. Most of the money sat in our bank accounts.

    The flood of donations was considered to be a sign of God's approval of Mother Teresa's congregation. We were told by our superiors that we received more gifts than other religious congregations because God was pleased with Mother, and because the Missionaries of Charity were the sisters who were faithful to the true spirit of religious life.

    Most of the sisters had no idea how much money the congregation was amassing. After all, we were taught not to collect anything. One summer the sisters living on the outskirts of Rome were given more crates of tomatoes than they could distribute. None of their neighbors wanted them because the crop had been so prolific that year. The sisters decided to can the tomatoes rather than let them spoil, but when Mother found out what they had done she was very displeased. Storing things showed lack of trust in Divine Providence.

    The donations rolled in and were deposited in the bank, but they had no effect on our ascetic lives and very little effect on the lives of the poor we were trying to help. We lived a simple life, bare of all superfluities. We had three sets of clothes, which we mended until the material was too rotten to patch anymore. We washed our own clothes by hand. The never-ending piles of sheets and towels from our night shelter for the homeless we washed by hand, too. Our bathing was accomplished with only one bucket of water. Dental and medical checkups were seen as an unnecessary luxury.

    Mother was very concerned that we preserve our spirit of poverty. Spending money would destroy that poverty. She seemed obsessed with using only the simplest of means for our work. Was this in the best interests of the people we were trying to help, or were we in fact using them as a tool to advance our own "sanctity?" In Haiti, to keep the spirit of poverty, the sisters reused needles until they became blunt. Seeing the pain caused by the blunt needles, some of the volunteers offered to procure more needles, but the sisters refused.

    We begged for food and supplies from local merchants as though we had no resources. On one of the rare occasions when we ran out of donated bread, we went begging at the local store. When our request was turned down, our superior decreed that the soup kitchen could do without bread for the day.

    It was not only merchants who were offered a chance to be generous. Airlines were requested to fly sisters and air cargo free of charge. Hospitals and doctors were expected to absorb the costs of medical treatment for the sisters or to draw on funds designated for the religious. Workmen were encouraged to labor without payment or at reduced rates. We relied heavily on volunteers who worked long hours in our soup kitchens, shelters, and day camps.

    A hard-working farmer devoted many of his waking hours to collecting and delivering food for our soup kitchens and shelters. "If I didn't come, what would you eat?" he asked.

    Our Constitution forbade us to beg for more than we needed, but, when it came to begging, the millions of dollars accumulating in the bank were treated as if they did not exist.

    For years I had to write thousands of letters to donors, telling them that their entire gift would be used to bring God's loving compassion to the poorest of the poor. I was able to keep my complaining conscience in check because we had been taught that the Holy Spirit was guiding Mother. To doubt her was a sign that we were lacking in trust and, even worse, guilty of the sin of pride. I shelved my objections and hoped that one day I would understand why Mother wanted to gather so much money, when she herself had taught us that even storing tomato sauce showed lack of trust in Divine Providence.

    ¿Y cómo pretendes que traduzcamos un tocho como este todo escrito en alemán?


    O nos lo traduces tú o nos quedamos con las ganas de seguir adquiriendo conocimientos derramados por una mente tan prolija como la tuya....


    Yo no tengo ni "papa" de lo que ahí puede poner....

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    ¿Y cómo pretendes que traduzcamos un tocho como este todo escrito en alemán?


    O nos lo traduces tú o nos quedamos con las ganas de seguir adquiriendo conocimientos derramados por una mente tan prolija como la tuya....


    Yo no tengo ni "papa" de lo que ahí puede poner....
    ¿Y por qué no le echas el empeño que le pusiste, al querer justificar un chistesín, mal contado, claro está, como el de tu íntima, en este escrito? Yo digo que si te interesa, y si estás dispuesto, puedes.

    ( Par de ineptos. Dieron cátedra de que, cuando se comete un error, lo deben de aceptar o tratar de disimular su torpeza con justificaciones absurdas: "Ah, es que no era así. El chiste es que era ver si se daban cuenta" ¡claro! Les salió el tiro por la culata, mentirosillos.)

    Con respecto al tema, está más que claro que, generalmente, quienes están en contra del aborto, son personas muy apegadas a la religión y que, por ende, se limitarán a decir que nadie es capaz de "quitarle" la vida a "alguien". Como lo dijo Chofrizo, jurídicamente, no es una persona, hasta cierto número de días pero, ante l@s religiosos, no, y he ahí el problema.

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    ¿Y por qué no le echas el empeño que le pusiste, al querer justificar un chistesín, mal contado, claro está, como el de tu íntima, en este escrito? Yo digo que si te interesa, y si estás dispuesto, puedes.

    ( Par de ineptos. Dieron cátedra de que, cuando se comete un error, lo deben de aceptar o tratar de disimular su torpeza con justificaciones absurdas: "Ah, es que no era así. El chiste es que era ver si se daban cuenta" ¡claro! Les salió el tiro por la culata, mentirosillos.)

    Con respecto al tema, está más que claro que, generalmente, quienes están en contra del aborto, son personas muy apegadas a la religión y que, por ende, se limitarán a decir que nadie es capaz de "quitarle" la vida a "alguien". Como lo dijo Chofrizo, jurídicamente, no es una persona, hasta cierto número de días pero, ante l@s religiosos, no, y he ahí el problema.

    Entre uno que escribe en alemán y otra que habla chino...¡aquí no hay quien se entere de nada!

    ¿Qué chiste he explicado yo y en qué escrito?...¿has desayunado correctamente o es que otra vez me he equivocado de pastillas?
    Bueno, dejo lo del chiste porque me vas a salir por peteneras y eso en mi pueblo está muy feo, se suele decir de gentes que......


    En relación al aborto....¡que es el tema que nos trae esta tarde en tan buena compaña y agradable trasiego...

    ! Chorizo y las leyes pueden decir misa! Incluso podrían decir lo que dijo una ministra tan espabilada como chorizo: "El feto no es un ser humano" (Fíjate que llegó a ministra y nuestro choricillo no llega a forero de cuarta)

    El concepto de lo jurídico o legal y lo moral o ético, no siempre han ido de la mano. Te lo puede explicar tu leguleyo amigo.
    No hija no. La vida es la vida y los seres vivos se desarrollan independientemente de lo que diga tu amigo, los religiosos o las feministas. No por mucho que hablen un feto se va a desarrollar de una manera u otra.

    Hay religiosos que entienden que en cada ser concebido ya hay un alma, hay ateos que piensan que un ser concebido ya es un ser humano, hay gente que piensa que cuando se mata a un feto se mata a un niño. Por el otro lado hay gente que no piensa así y que opina de otra manera...


    ...pero hay gente que su única obsesión es meter la cuchara propagandista en un asunto moral y construir una política a partir de ese hecho. Los terceros son los que abundan en este foro. Los podemos llamar: ¡Los panfleteros!


    Un besito

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    ¿Y por qué no le echas el empeño que le pusiste, al querer justificar un chistesín, mal contado, claro está, como el de tu íntima, en este escrito? Yo digo que si te interesa, y si estás dispuesto, puedes.

    ( Par de ineptos. Dieron cátedra de que, cuando se comete un error, lo deben de aceptar o tratar de disimular su torpeza con justificaciones absurdas: "Ah, es que no era así. El chiste es que era ver si se daban cuenta" ¡claro! Les salió el tiro por la culata, mentirosillos.)

    Con respecto al tema, está más que claro que, generalmente, quienes están en contra del aborto, son personas muy apegadas a la religión y que, por ende, se limitarán a decir que nadie es capaz de "quitarle" la vida a "alguien". Como lo dijo Chofrizo, jurídicamente, no es una persona, hasta cierto número de días pero, ante l@s religiosos, no, y he ahí el problema.
    Por eso te quiero mi Mecanica, por hablar claro

    Es que los religiosos creen que cada corrida merece nombre. jajajjaa

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    Por eso te quiero mi Mecanica, por hablar claro

    Es que los religiosos creen que cada corrida merece nombre. jajajjaa

    ¡Pobre Meche! ¡¡¡Qué bajito pica!!!

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    Y tú también me caes bien, Fer

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    ¡Pobre Meche! ¡¡¡Qué bajito pica!!!
    Y tú que no picas :sleep:

    Y eres un fanático más que, al momento del que se habla mal del Papa, parece como si te hubieran puesto un petardo en el... cerebelo.

    Cada que se habla del aborto, los antibortistas sacan a relucir el tema de Dios. Y las leyes, hombre, yo no las hice, las hizo el Sistema Legislativo y a ellos les puedes decir si se considera, o no, como persona un cigoto. Y si te crees más capaz de decir que eso no es cierto, llévalo a los tribunales y hazlo una ley.

    (Sí sabes de lo que hablo con respecto al chiste Losers.)

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    ¿Tú no sabías que Ferpuerto tiene documentación "fidedigna" en la que aparece el Papa brazo en alto haciendo el saludo hitleriano? ¡¡¡Pídesela que seguro que gustoso te la da!!
    Esa documentación “fidedigna” se la habrán pasado los mismos que le han pasado lo de las cuentas de la Madre Teresa…
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    Prueba de que las mentes tontas no aceptan evidencia. Ratzinger admitio ya que fue parte de la juventud de Hitler, y aun asi esta todavia negandolo... Ratzinger, el mismo lo escribio y Zambabosol aun dice que no es cierto jajajajaja
    Obligado, como todos. Es lo que tienen los regímenes totalitarios… Luego estaría la manipulación de poner a Ratzinger con el brazo en alto, como si fuera el saludo nazi. Manipulación, ¿no ferpuerto?
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    Yo no tengo ni "papa" de lo que ahí puede poner....
    Yo no sé mucho inglés (de hecho me acaban de conceder un curso de 3 meses… que algo mejoraré pero no suficiente)… pero ese rollo está escrito por una monja rebotada de la Madre Teresa. No he encontrado que la Madre Teresa mandara el dinero al Vaticano (que, por otra parte, no le hace falta, pues viven en la opulencia, como todos los comecuras bien saben). Lo he repasado muy por encima…. pero que ferpuerto nos diga en qué parte pone que la monja esta mandaba el dineral al Vaticano.

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