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Tema: Vivimos en un MATRIX?

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    La pelicula de Matrix nos hace pensar si en realidad no sera que todos somos una especie de experimento de otra civilizacion mas avanzada, en el cual este mundo es como un Matrix, un mundo virtual creado por otra civilizacion mas avanzada.

    Es complejo este tema, y muchos diran que es una locura, pero podria ser algo real, quizas todos estamos en una simulacion virtual para ver como nos comportamos, que hacemos, etc, etc.

    Hay muchas cosas que nadie las puede explicar como quien creo el universo, la vida misma, etc, etc.

    Cada dia los avances en tecnologia nos asombran mas, lo que antes era imposible ahora ya no lo es, y asi sucesivamente, no hay limite de imaginacion en lo que se pueda crear, si no hay un limite entonces estamos en una simulacion virtual avanzada?

    Antes no existian las computadoras, ahora es normal, el internet tampoco, y ahora podemos conversar unos y otros aunque estemos muy lejos, gracias a internet todo parece estar mas cerca, las distancias se han recortado, en el futuro podremos viajar de un sitio a otro en segundos, lo mismo sucedera viajar a otros planetas.

    En el futuro gracias a la tecnologia viviremos eternamente por que las memorias de nuestros cerebros permaneceran por siempre y solo usaremos nuevos cuerpos.

    Es un tema muy amplio en el cual hasta ahora no hay nadie que pueda explicar todo esto, lo que si es una realidad es que se ha comprobado que la tecnologia no tiene limites, y esto es algo impresionante, por que cuando no hay un limite de creacion, entonces quiere decir que las invenciones son infinitas, y al suceder esto entramos a una realidad mas parecida a Matrix que a un mundo real.

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    15-marzo-2007
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    como tu dices matrix es una pelicula (ficcion, irealidad, mentira, etc etc)

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    jejeje puede sonar raro pero yo lo veo cuando me acuesto a dormir, pues los suenios es como Matrix , porke como en la pelicula se puede cargar cualkier mapa en donde apareces desempenaindo una actividad incluso hasta cosas de fantasia tales como ke puedes volar, o desempeniar actividades ke en la vida real no haces o nunca has hecho, cuando te acuestas a dormir es como si te conectaras , para llevar acavo un suceso en otra parte, peo todo termina cuando despiertas y te das cuentaa ke nada de eso era real , y ke solo era un simple suenio y vuelves al mundo real, en lo ke acontese en el suenio no te das cuenta si puedes oler , tocar o darte cuenta si estas respirando.... pero como dice la pelicula todo principio tiene un final jejeje ,

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    Ya.... es muy probable...


    Como un apunte: cuando estudiaba el primer semestre de Ingeniería en Sistemas Computacionales, hicimos una pequeña encuesta con los compañeros sobre:

    Si pudieras elegir vivir en una matrix, donde tú controlaras todas las variables a voluntad, ¿abandonarías el mundo real y te conectarías?

    La gran mayoría contestó que sí sin pensarselo demasiado.

    Es común pensar de este modo para así negar la realidad y apoyar esa famosa... de vivir en un sueño.

    El Blog de un hombre insano http://versosenprosa.blogspot.com/ elForo.com love it or leave it, but don't bother
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    Bueno yo le tome otro concepto a esa pelicula comparada con la vida real. No esta de más anteponer que Matrix es solamente una pelicula eso esta muy claro.
    Ahora ¿cómo comparo Matrix con esta nuestra realidad?. Yo veo asi la realidad dominada por Dios y sus religiones. Eso es lo que no nos deja libres totalmente y por eso la humanidad seguira esclavizada por esa "Matrix". Los humanos podemos ser más y llegar a más pero ese Dios no nos deja pues no le conviene.
    Además tiene razon cierta parte de esa pelicula donde el agente Smith le dice a Morpheo que la escencia de las personas, es vivir en la infelicidad. La primera Matrix era perfecta, no habia dolor ni llanto, todo era perfecto y por eso fracaso ese proyecto. Despues el Arquitecto acoplo Matrix para que fuese igual a lo que es el mundo. Asi es la realidad tambien, nuestro mundo. Un mundo sólo lleno de alegria, se vendria abajo pues la escencia de los humanos, es hacer infelices a los otros.
    No es saludable estar adaptado a una sociedad profundamente enferma.

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    MATRIX

    NÚMERO UNO: Es una pelicula!
    NüMERO DOS: Está realizada en Hollywood
    NUMERO TRES: Creo que deberias dejar la telé en paz.

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    Bueno zink creo que no estas tan chiflado como parece.

    Existe la posibilidad de vivir en una simulacion avanzada segun este cientifico.

    August 14, 2007
    Findings
    Our Lives, Controlled From Some Guy’s Couch
    By JOHN TIERNEY

    Until I talked to Nick Bostrom, a philosopher at Oxford University, it never occurred to me that our universe might be somebody else’s hobby. I hadn’t imagined that the omniscient, omnipotent creator of the heavens and earth could be an advanced version of a guy who spends his weekends building model railroads or overseeing video-game worlds like the Sims.

    But now it seems quite possible. In fact, if you accept a pretty reasonable assumption of Dr. Bostrom’s, it is almost a mathematical certainty that we are living in someone else’s computer simulation.

    This simulation would be similar to the one in “The Matrix,” in which most humans don’t realize that their lives and their world are just illusions created in their brains while their bodies are suspended in vats of liquid. But in Dr. Bostrom’s notion of reality, you wouldn’t even have a body made of flesh. Your brain would exist only as a network of computer circuits.

    You couldn’t, as in “The Matrix,” unplug your brain and escape from your vat to see the physical world. You couldn’t see through the illusion except by using the sort of logic employed by Dr. Bostrom, the director of the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford.

    Dr. Bostrom assumes that technological advances could produce a computer with more processing power than all the brains in the world, and that advanced humans, or “posthumans,” could run “ancestor simulations” of their evolutionary history by creating virtual worlds inhabited by virtual people with fully developed virtual nervous systems.

    Some computer experts have projected, based on trends in processing power, that we will have such a computer by the middle of this century, but it doesn’t matter for Dr. Bostrom’s argument whether it takes 50 years or 5 million years. If civilization survived long enough to reach that stage, and if the posthumans were to run lots of simulations for research purposes or entertainment, then the number of virtual ancestors they created would be vastly greater than the number of real ancestors.

    There would be no way for any of these ancestors to know for sure whether they were virtual or real, because the sights and feelings they’d experience would be indistinguishable. But since there would be so many more virtual ancestors, any individual could figure that the odds made it nearly certain that he or she was living in a virtual world.

    The math and the logic are inexorable once you assume that lots of simulations are being run. But there are a couple of alternative hypotheses, as Dr. Bostrom points out. One is that civilization never attains the technology to run simulations (perhaps because it self-destructs before reaching that stage). The other hypothesis is that posthumans decide not to run the simulations.

    “This kind of posthuman might have other ways of having fun, like stimulating their pleasure centers directly,” Dr. Bostrom says. “Maybe they wouldn’t need to do simulations for scientific reasons because they’d have better methodologies for understanding their past. It’s quite possible they would have moral prohibitions against simulating people, although the fact that something is immoral doesn’t mean it won’t happen.”

    Dr. Bostrom doesn’t pretend to know which of these hypotheses is more likely, but he thinks none of them can be ruled out. “My gut feeling, and it’s nothing more than that,” he says, “is that there’s a 20 percent chance we’re living in a computer simulation.”

    My gut feeling is that the odds are better than 20 percent, maybe better than even. I think it’s highly likely that civilization could endure to produce those supercomputers. And if owners of the computers were anything like the millions of people immersed in virtual worlds like Second Life, SimCity and World of Warcraft, they’d be running simulations just to get a chance to control history — or maybe give themselves virtual roles as Cleopatra or Napoleon.

    It’s unsettling to think of the world being run by a futuristic computer geek, although we might at last dispose of that of classic theological question: How could God allow so much evil in the world? For the same reason there are plagues and earthquakes and battles in games like World of Warcraft. Peace is boring, Dude.

    A more practical question is how to behave in a computer simulation. Your first impulse might be to say nothing matters anymore because nothing’s real. But just because your neural circuits are made of silicon (or whatever posthumans would use in their computers) instead of carbon doesn’t mean your feelings are any less real.

    David J. Chalmers, a philosopher at the Australian National University, says Dr. Bostrom’s simulation hypothesis isn’t a cause for skepticism, but simply a different metaphysical explanation of our world. Whatever you’re touching now — a sheet of paper, a keyboard, a coffee mug — is real to you even if it’s created on a computer circuit rather than fashioned out of wood, plastic or clay.

    You still have the desire to live as long as you can in this virtual world — and in any simulated afterlife that the designer of this world might bestow on you. Maybe that means following traditional moral principles, if you think the posthuman designer shares those morals and would reward you for being a good person.

    Or maybe, as suggested by Robin Hanson, an economist at George Mason University, you should try to be as interesting as possible, on the theory that the designer is more likely to keep you around for the next simulation. (For more on survival strategies in a computer simulation, go to www.nytimes.com/tierneylab.)

    Of course, it’s tough to guess what the designer would be like. He or she might have a body made of flesh or plastic, but the designer might also be a virtual being living inside the computer of a still more advanced form of intelligence. There could be layer upon layer of simulations until you finally reached the architect of the first simulation — the Prime Designer, let’s call him or her (or it).

    Then again, maybe the Prime Designer wouldn’t allow any of his or her creations to start simulating their own worlds. Once they got smart enough to do so, they’d presumably realize, by Dr. Bostrom’s logic, that they themselves were probably simulations. Would that ruin the fun for the Prime Designer?

    If simulations stop once the simulated inhabitants understand what’s going on, then I really shouldn’t be spreading Dr. Bostrom’s ideas. But if you’re still around to read this, I guess the Prime Designer is reasonably tolerant, or maybe curious to see how we react once we start figuring out the situation.

    It’s also possible that there would be logistical problems in creating layer upon layer of simulations. There might not be enough computing power to continue the simulation if billions of inhabitants of a virtual world started creating their own virtual worlds with billions of inhabitants apiece.

    If that’s true, it’s bad news for the futurists who think we’ll have a computer this century with the power to simulate all the inhabitants on earth. We’d start our simulation, expecting to observe a new virtual world, but instead our own world might end — not with a bang, not with a whimper, but with a message on the Prime Designer’s computer.

    It might be something clunky like “Insufficient Memory to Continue Simulation.” But I like to think it would be simple and familiar: “Game Over.”


    Fuente New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/sc...&ex=1344744000

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    that makes sense but i dont believe we live in a world like sims.
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    Yo creo que han visto demasiadas veces la triologia de Matrix

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